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BREXIT Just for the Record; Being English. Living in England having lived in mainland Europe.
Topic Started: Jul 10 2016, 08:20 AM (1,219 Views)
Robertr2000
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EuropeanLad
Jul 10 2016, 10:11 PM
Robertr2000
Jul 10 2016, 09:55 PM
The E.U. must die.

:hooray:
I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.
We will see the death of the EU in my lifetime.

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Edited by Robertr2000, Jul 10 2016, 10:17 PM.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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EuropeanLad

Robertr2000
Jul 10 2016, 10:14 PM
EuropeanLad
Jul 10 2016, 10:11 PM
Robertr2000
Jul 10 2016, 09:55 PM
The E.U. must die.

:hooray:
I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.
We will see the death of the EU in my lifetime.
The EU in its current form will cease to exist only to make room to the European Federation. Most probably in 15 -20 years the first President of Europe will be directly elected by 500 millions people.
Edited by EuropeanLad, Jul 10 2016, 10:42 PM.
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Robertr2000
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EuropeanLad
Jul 10 2016, 10:34 PM
Robertr2000
Jul 10 2016, 10:14 PM
EuropeanLad
Jul 10 2016, 10:11 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThe E.U. must die.
We will see the death of the EU in my lifetime.
The EU in its current form will cease to exist only to make room to the European Federation. Most probably in 15 -20 years the first President of Europe will be directly elected by 500 millions people.
Pure Fantasy.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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edro14

The eU will never cease to exist.

Europeans love to squabble, usually it is the Brits that start to create a false babbling.
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montesquieu

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The BREXIT result has rescinded Germany to calls of:

"Achtung! Achtung! Spitfeur!
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Obama a 'has been'? No, he never 'was'!
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Robert Stout
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EuropeanLad
Jul 10 2016, 10:11 PM
Robertr2000
Jul 10 2016, 09:55 PM
The E.U. must die.

:hooray:
I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.
The EU won't die, but it may be reduced to six members OR return to a "Common Market" model........................... :dunno:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Mystique
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The net attractiveness of the EU just skyrocketed.
JILL STEIN OR BUST 2016
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Robert Stout
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The likely smaller EU will be Germany, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Greece ( with Turkey and Ukraine continuing to apply to get in)................. :biggrin:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Theresa May - looks like a disaster. Thoughts?
MEEK AND MILD
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Mystique
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estonianman
Jul 11 2016, 12:18 PM
Theresa May - looks like a disaster. Thoughts?
Looks pretty hot by British standards.
JILL STEIN OR BUST 2016
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Hiawatha
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Gutted! Just so thoroughly gutted. The pressure from the MP's was too much for Andrea and she has withdrawn.
Apparently, there seems to be a lot of disillusioned conservatives now shifting to UKIP, but too little too late.
For the time being we are now stuck with Theresa May, and I hope for our sake she doesn't turn tail on the people's decision to leave.

At least the ridiculous delay of summer holiday before ANY action is no thwarted. That's the best Monty Python optimism I can choke up (Always look on the bright side of life...tee tum, tee diddly tee tee tum)
followed by a HUGE SIGH!
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Jul 11 2016, 12:40 PM
estonianman
Jul 11 2016, 12:18 PM
Theresa May - looks like a disaster. Thoughts?
Looks pretty hot by British standards.
Now I understand your name!
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estonianman
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That democracy quote by Churchill.

LMAO
MEEK AND MILD
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Hiawatha
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Oh well. Today is the day we get a new Prime Minister. (Not an elected one - it didn't even get as far as going to conservative man on the ground membership for voting - too risky - she would have lost).
This woman didn't actually win an election, she was just last 'man' standing in a back-stabbing contest

Nobody has any faith in her except the hierarchy's machine and gun dog media, but it's pretty obvious that unless she toe's the line, and invokes article 50 immediately there is going to be a public outcry for a general election.

Apparently a huge number of conservative MP's have defected to UKIP.

UKIP membership cards are on a huge waiting list as the demand overall for membership has gone wild.

Labour is a mess and Liberal are simply non starters, this is going to be down to conservative vs UKIP. ('Nobility and Aristocracy' vs the 'People')
Edited by Hiawatha, Jul 13 2016, 03:42 AM.
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Jul 13 2016, 03:40 AM
Oh well. Today is the day we get a new Prime Minister. (Not an elected one - it didn't even get as far as going to conservative man on the ground membership for voting - too risky - she would have lost).
This woman didn't actually win an election, she was just last 'man' standing in a back-stabbing contest

Nobody has any faith in her except the hierarchy's machine and gun dog media, but it's pretty obvious that unless she toe's the line, and invokes article 50 immediately there is going to be a public outcry for a general election.

Apparently a huge number of conservative MP's have defected to UKIP.

UKIP membership cards are on a huge waiting list as the demand overall for membership has gone wild.

Labour is a mess and Liberal are simply non starters, this is going to be down to conservative vs UKIP. ('Nobility and Aristocracy' vs the 'People')
Well, apart from 'quoting oneself', which is well on the way to being the 5th sign of madness......

I have just heard the Prime Ministers Role list for her new cabinet. STUNNED and almost impressed!
If my eyes don't deceive me, and I am not going to wake up shortly to discover that along with getting on top of my ever mounting list of tasks (that keep being left asunder to update you folk on 'Word on the Street in Blighty,) the whole thing is a dream, it isn't half a bad set of names.

Maybe she realises that any deviance from the path set out by the people will result in banishment, and that the whole world is watching her every move with baited breath..

A sudden, nervous but excited aura is occurring here.

The key factor - Article 50 is still awaited.

There are new fences being built by the EU next Spring to curtail EU exiters, so it is crucial we do this before then.
I will try to find the specific data about this, but if anyone else has it to hand, please post it.

I will try to keep as much info on the 'real' Brexit events posted (presuming that's ok, as I realise you too are in a political crisis, and after having read a few articles here today, realise just how similarly your politicians take the piss, lie and turn tail when it suits them. Worst of all, why are none of them - either Here in Britain, or there in USA, accountable for their actions?
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BuckFan

I was reading an article in Aviation Week addressing what this means. This columnist's conclusion is that the U.K. will lose out. They will end up needing to follow EU directives and regulations but they won't have a say in the formation of those regulations. This is all based on renegotiating the treaties covering air travel, product safety, border security and all the other things that EU membership covered.
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jake58

The Swiss and Norwegians have managed to squeak by. It all depends on how well the Brits negotiate and whether other countries start to follow their lead. Early days yet. The market apparently doesn't think it's a big deal.
That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens
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Jul 13 2016, 06:31 PM
The Swiss and Norwegians have managed to squeak by. It all depends on how well the Brits negotiate and whether other countries start to follow their lead. Early days yet. The market apparently doesn't think it's a big deal.
The AvWeek article I referenced basically used the Norwegians and Swiss as a model of what Britain will have to do. They participate in EU activities and follow EU rules but don't have a say in the forming of those rules since they are not EU member states.

I'm not sure what Britain gains by ending up signing treaties that do the same thing.
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Jul 13 2016, 08:47 PM
The AvWeek article I referenced basically used the Norwegians and Swiss as a model of what Britain will have to do. They participate in EU activities and follow EU rules but don't have a say in the forming of those rules since they are not EU member states.

I'm not sure what Britain gains by ending up signing treaties that do the same thing.
We would be worse off than in the EU but it would be easier to untangle ourselves if the EU becomes the fascist nightmare that seems to be Brexiters' dream. We might also get some technical sops on immigration etc.

I have a sneaking suspicion that one route we'll go for will get decent headline GDP after a couple of decades by turning ourselves into an offshore tax haven and by removing regulations that protect workers' rights, health, the environment etc. Poorer regions will get a regular diet of hatred of foreigners by the Mail and Express and the satisfaction of cutting foreign aid and the likes. In exchange they will have to sacrifice their health and wealth so the richest can be invited over to stash their wealth and hide it from the countries which they grew up in and whose societies they benefited from.

Putin and countless others have shown that you can maintain power like this, and closer to home several U.S. states have shown that this is politically sustainable so long as there are enough enemies (the gays, the liberals, the Muslims etc) to give purpose to enough of the voters who're expected to sacrifice their wellbeing for the richest.
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Hiawatha
Jul 10 2016, 08:20 AM
I thought you may be interested to know how a great deal of the population here feel about the whole Brexit drama.

For years now, we in England have had our system eroded, down-played, over-ridden and had to pay for the privellege, by the overbearing EU commandants.

Our people have (in true British style), have sucked it up quietly, privately grumbling about having to change our culture, rules, and budgets accordingly.

However.... also synonomous of the Bitish temperament, we have been pushed to 'Snap', and will no longer cower to the indoctrination.

Our 'Great' BBC, is no longer the source of all things true, and are (as mainstream media here including the internet) censoring anything and access to anything that is not what the powers to be determine what the mere plebs should know. This became most apparent during the whole Brexit referendum - hence the outcome.

Yes, there are still a great deal of unknowledgable folk here, that simply voted remain for the most ridiculous reasons, such as I heard first-hand recently "I won't be able to buy parts for my French car" (Twat!). These people are completely suckered by the media scaremongering, who foretold stories of great woe should we leave. That our economy would be in tatters, that we would be invaded (like we are not already!) That our expats in Europe would be homeless (more bollox - the rest of Europe are not heartless feinds - they are countries who too have lost their identities to the Brussels regime, many of which have the same feeling of despair with their governments, but afraid to take the leap to make the change).

And since the blessed referendum - How is Britian?
We have lost a few cents on both the Euro and the dollar. STILL 5 CENTS MORE THAN 2012 ON THE EURO!
Those of us in business see a small increase in the few supplies we buy from mainland Europe, but if you take away the German and French cars we import, there isn't a lot else!
Europe and US won't be complaining about the better rates to the British pound they now enjoy.

80% of our European trade is purchases! So who has the lead hand in that debate.
Bring it on Germany & France - threaten us with tariffs on trading and watch your car trade drop like a stone!

We are about to drop our corporation tax to 15% (half what the EU want to set as standard!)
If that is not an invitation to corporations to invest in UK, I don't know what is.

Our interest rate for borrowing is about to be cut to lowest for a significant number of years - and that is really going to hurt the millions here in debt - NOT!

Our rates are already stabilising.

The 24th June was felt to be like the first day of Spring here, with renewed enthusiasm, and a reality check that shortly we would be once again in control of our own destiny and the millions each week going to EU funds, would finally stay in our own economy to fund our crashing Health system and social problems (much of which caused by overpopulation due to being unable to limit any borders, and haplessly fund immimigrants (not refugees - which is entirely another matter and one not contested), whilst indiginous Brits suffer a declining standard of living - way too many of which are below the breadline, and unable to access any funds - which are used to fund excess immigrants.

We don not have a problem with the people who are already here - we will manage in True Brit style, but enough is enough. An Australiain style immigration policy is desperately needed here NOW!

I have lived for 6 years in Spain, and watched the beautiful Spanish culture gradually eroded by EU regulations. Wonderful fiesta and stree market curtailed due to senseless health and safety regulations. Quite simply the trip and sue brigade gone nuts!
EACH EUROPEAN COUNTRY IS UNIQUE (well, they were), and that is why they are so wonderful.
They sould NOT be assimilated 'BORG STYLE'.

I could rant for days, but will take a breathe, as I am sure I will have to stave off attacks from folk who don't know how we feel, but have only the 'BBC Bollox' to rely on.

So, from my first really heartfelt political post here, I await your comments.
ps. After a decade of not posting on this forum, I have returned as I no longer submit to the 'You will only read what we say you can' policy enveloping the UK now.

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Once again from year back if my memory servers me correct: Who are you to speak of "your people"?
How did the concept of "your people" started to come about?

If about 17 million voted for "your people", millions of whom have become of second terms, how can that be in a so called democracy which is supposed to be a true democracy - NOT governed by media owners who are not even British, right?

Most of the British media are controlled by markets - not telling about the realities of this world. Much like in Russia, the media owners are telling what kind of message is allowed to be written about in their publications. The likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage, who's been well known of telling pure fabrications about the EU years ago, have not taken any kind of responsibility of the messages they have spoke or written about.
It's their personal concept of defining the part of the "freedom of speech" which is part of democracy as well but without realizing that it comes with a price of the responsibility, which those people are not capable of having.
This has nothing to do with a single culture as the behaviour of those humans are pretty much universal and basically pure copycat anywhere in the western world.

The entire world has changed since the British Empire and the 1970's as well. Nationalism in Europe is not the answer any longer in today's world. We have other world powers as well, not really existing before the 1990's in such a scale that would worry any country in Europe at that time.

This reaction of yours is a primal one, based on the world you know about but not understanding anything of the world to become and already existing - of which we western countries ourselves are basically the sole ones to blame on by developing global telecommunications.


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