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BREXIT Just for the Record; Being English. Living in England having lived in mainland Europe.
Topic Started: Jul 10 2016, 08:20 AM (1,221 Views)
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jar
Jul 15 2016, 08:03 PM
Hiawatha
Jul 10 2016, 08:20 AM
I thought you may be interested to know how a great deal of the population here feel about the whole Brexit drama.

For years now, we in England have had our system eroded, down-played, over-ridden and had to pay for the privellege, by the overbearing EU commandants.

Our people have (in true British style), have sucked it up quietly, privately grumbling about having to change our culture, rules, and budgets accordingly.

However.... also synonomous of the Bitish temperament, we have been pushed to 'Snap', and will no longer cower to the indoctrination.

Our 'Great' BBC, is no longer the source of all things true, and are (as mainstream media here including the internet) censoring anything and access to anything that is not what the powers to be determine what the mere plebs should know. This became most apparent during the whole Brexit referendum - hence the outcome.

Yes, there are still a great deal of unknowledgable folk here, that simply voted remain for the most ridiculous reasons, such as I heard first-hand recently "I won't be able to buy parts for my French car" (Twat!). These people are completely suckered by the media scaremongering, who foretold stories of great woe should we leave. That our economy would be in tatters, that we would be invaded (like we are not already!) That our expats in Europe would be homeless (more bollox - the rest of Europe are not heartless feinds - they are countries who too have lost their identities to the Brussels regime, many of which have the same feeling of despair with their governments, but afraid to take the leap to make the change).

And since the blessed referendum - How is Britian?
We have lost a few cents on both the Euro and the dollar. STILL 5 CENTS MORE THAN 2012 ON THE EURO!
Those of us in business see a small increase in the few supplies we buy from mainland Europe, but if you take away the German and French cars we import, there isn't a lot else!
Europe and US won't be complaining about the better rates to the British pound they now enjoy.

80% of our European trade is purchases! So who has the lead hand in that debate.
Bring it on Germany & France - threaten us with tariffs on trading and watch your car trade drop like a stone!

We are about to drop our corporation tax to 15% (half what the EU want to set as standard!)
If that is not an invitation to corporations to invest in UK, I don't know what is.

Our interest rate for borrowing is about to be cut to lowest for a significant number of years - and that is really going to hurt the millions here in debt - NOT!

Our rates are already stabilising.

The 24th June was felt to be like the first day of Spring here, with renewed enthusiasm, and a reality check that shortly we would be once again in control of our own destiny and the millions each week going to EU funds, would finally stay in our own economy to fund our crashing Health system and social problems (much of which caused by overpopulation due to being unable to limit any borders, and haplessly fund immimigrants (not refugees - which is entirely another matter and one not contested), whilst indiginous Brits suffer a declining standard of living - way too many of which are below the breadline, and unable to access any funds - which are used to fund excess immigrants.

We don not have a problem with the people who are already here - we will manage in True Brit style, but enough is enough. An Australiain style immigration policy is desperately needed here NOW!

I have lived for 6 years in Spain, and watched the beautiful Spanish culture gradually eroded by EU regulations. Wonderful fiesta and stree market curtailed due to senseless health and safety regulations. Quite simply the trip and sue brigade gone nuts!
EACH EUROPEAN COUNTRY IS UNIQUE (well, they were), and that is why they are so wonderful.
They sould NOT be assimilated 'BORG STYLE'.

I could rant for days, but will take a breathe, as I am sure I will have to stave off attacks from folk who don't know how we feel, but have only the 'BBC Bollox' to rely on.

So, from my first really heartfelt political post here, I await your comments.
ps. After a decade of not posting on this forum, I have returned as I no longer submit to the 'You will only read what we say you can' policy enveloping the UK now.

Moved to Op-Ed does not conform to News Board format ... mod's discretion

Once again from year back if my memory servers me correct: Who are you to speak of "your people"?
How did the concept of "your people" started to come about?

If about 17 million voted for "your people", millions of whom have become of second terms, how can that be in a so called democracy which is supposed to be a true democracy - NOT governed by media owners who are not even British, right?

Most of the British media are controlled by markets - not telling about the realities of this world. Much like in Russia, the media owners are telling what kind of message is allowed to be written about in their publications. The likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage, who's been well known of telling pure fabrications about the EU years ago, have not taken any kind of responsibility of the messages they have spoke or written about.
It's their personal concept of defining the part of the "freedom of speech" which is part of democracy as well but without realizing that it comes with a price of the responsibility, which those people are not capable of having.
This has nothing to do with a single culture as the behaviour of those humans are pretty much universal and basically pure copycat anywhere in the western world.

The entire world has changed since the British Empire and the 1970's as well. Nationalism in Europe is not the answer any longer in today's world. We have other world powers as well, not really existing before the 1990's in such a scale that would worry any country in Europe at that time.

This reaction of yours is a primal one, based on the world you know about but not understanding anything of the world to become and already existing - of which we western countries ourselves are basically the sole ones to blame on by developing global telecommunications.

"Your kind of people" has VERY MUCH to learn about what comprises a TRUE IDENTITY of a nation for a single human being. "YOUR PEOPLE" who your kind of people are talking about are TOO WEAK as humans to dictate what an identity means. YOU are not talking about ANY national identity but your own personal problems of which level of an group identity above oneself can be described of. That level is just one POSSIBLE one to gain the similar identity - and that is NOT carved to any stone of us human beings.

You are a true-hearted Basic Finn, NOT A BRITISH UKIP supporter. Nothing except the language separates you from the Basic Finns. You need to deal with this basic human behavior existing in our world of us human beings.
It is Timo Soini who is your master in the future as well, as Boris Johnson will be holding the same position as he is having now - on ideological ways. I hardly doubt that Boris is capable of being such a character as a human being that he would make UKIP to stand strong against the entire world of us where we are living in today.

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Jul 15 2016, 08:03 PM
Hiawatha
Jul 10 2016, 08:20 AM
I thought you may be interested to know how a great deal of the population here feel about the whole Brexit drama.

For years now, we in England have had our system eroded, down-played, over-ridden and had to pay for the privellege, by the overbearing EU commandants.

Our people have (in true British style), have sucked it up quietly, privately grumbling about having to change our culture, rules, and budgets accordingly.

However.... also synonomous of the Bitish temperament, we have been pushed to 'Snap', and will no longer cower to the indoctrination.

Our 'Great' BBC, is no longer the source of all things true, and are (as mainstream media here including the internet) censoring anything and access to anything that is not what the powers to be determine what the mere plebs should know. This became most apparent during the whole Brexit referendum - hence the outcome.

Yes, there are still a great deal of unknowledgable folk here, that simply voted remain for the most ridiculous reasons, such as I heard first-hand recently "I won't be able to buy parts for my French car" (Twat!). These people are completely suckered by the media scaremongering, who foretold stories of great woe should we leave. That our economy would be in tatters, that we would be invaded (like we are not already!) That our expats in Europe would be homeless (more bollox - the rest of Europe are not heartless feinds - they are countries who too have lost their identities to the Brussels regime, many of which have the same feeling of despair with their governments, but afraid to take the leap to make the change).

And since the blessed referendum - How is Britian?
We have lost a few cents on both the Euro and the dollar. STILL 5 CENTS MORE THAN 2012 ON THE EURO!
Those of us in business see a small increase in the few supplies we buy from mainland Europe, but if you take away the German and French cars we import, there isn't a lot else!
Europe and US won't be complaining about the better rates to the British pound they now enjoy.

80% of our European trade is purchases! So who has the lead hand in that debate.
Bring it on Germany & France - threaten us with tariffs on trading and watch your car trade drop like a stone!

We are about to drop our corporation tax to 15% (half what the EU want to set as standard!)
If that is not an invitation to corporations to invest in UK, I don't know what is.

Our interest rate for borrowing is about to be cut to lowest for a significant number of years - and that is really going to hurt the millions here in debt - NOT!

Our rates are already stabilising.

The 24th June was felt to be like the first day of Spring here, with renewed enthusiasm, and a reality check that shortly we would be once again in control of our own destiny and the millions each week going to EU funds, would finally stay in our own economy to fund our crashing Health system and social problems (much of which caused by overpopulation due to being unable to limit any borders, and haplessly fund immimigrants (not refugees - which is entirely another matter and one not contested), whilst indiginous Brits suffer a declining standard of living - way too many of which are below the breadline, and unable to access any funds - which are used to fund excess immigrants.

We don not have a problem with the people who are already here - we will manage in True Brit style, but enough is enough. An Australiain style immigration policy is desperately needed here NOW!

I have lived for 6 years in Spain, and watched the beautiful Spanish culture gradually eroded by EU regulations. Wonderful fiesta and stree market curtailed due to senseless health and safety regulations. Quite simply the trip and sue brigade gone nuts!
EACH EUROPEAN COUNTRY IS UNIQUE (well, they were), and that is why they are so wonderful.
They sould NOT be assimilated 'BORG STYLE'.

I could rant for days, but will take a breathe, as I am sure I will have to stave off attacks from folk who don't know how we feel, but have only the 'BBC Bollox' to rely on.

So, from my first really heartfelt political post here, I await your comments.
ps. After a decade of not posting on this forum, I have returned as I no longer submit to the 'You will only read what we say you can' policy enveloping the UK now.

Moved to Op-Ed does not conform to News Board format ... mod's discretion

Once again from year back if my memory servers me correct: Who are you to speak of "your people"?
How did the concept of "your people" started to come about?

If about 17 million voted for "your people", millions of whom have become of second terms, how can that be in a so called democracy which is supposed to be a true democracy - NOT governed by media owners who are not even British, right?

Most of the British media are controlled by markets - not telling about the realities of this world. Much like in Russia, the media owners are telling what kind of message is allowed to be written about in their publications. The likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage, who's been well known of telling pure fabrications about the EU years ago, have not taken any kind of responsibility of the messages they have spoke or written about.
It's their personal concept of defining the part of the "freedom of speech" which is part of democracy as well but without realizing that it comes with a price of the responsibility, which those people are not capable of having.
This has nothing to do with a single culture as the behaviour of those humans are pretty much universal and basically pure copycat anywhere in the western world.

The entire world has changed since the British Empire and the 1970's as well. Nationalism in Europe is not the answer any longer in today's world. We have other world powers as well, not really existing before the 1990's in such a scale that would worry any country in Europe at that time.

This reaction of yours is a primal one, based on the world you know about but not understanding anything of the world to become and already existing - of which we western countries ourselves are basically the sole ones to blame on by developing global telecommunications.


Very 'interesting' opinion.
Glad to see you went back and edited out the most of the personal insults in your post - thankyou.
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Hiawatha
Jul 16 2016, 05:26 AM
jar
Jul 15 2016, 08:03 PM
Hiawatha
Jul 10 2016, 08:20 AM
I thought you may be interested to know how a great deal of the population here feel about the whole Brexit drama.

For years now, we in England have had our system eroded, down-played, over-ridden and had to pay for the privellege, by the overbearing EU commandants.

Our people have (in true British style), have sucked it up quietly, privately grumbling about having to change our culture, rules, and budgets accordingly.

However.... also synonomous of the Bitish temperament, we have been pushed to 'Snap', and will no longer cower to the indoctrination.

Our 'Great' BBC, is no longer the source of all things true, and are (as mainstream media here including the internet) censoring anything and access to anything that is not what the powers to be determine what the mere plebs should know. This became most apparent during the whole Brexit referendum - hence the outcome.

Yes, there are still a great deal of unknowledgable folk here, that simply voted remain for the most ridiculous reasons, such as I heard first-hand recently "I won't be able to buy parts for my French car" (Twat!). These people are completely suckered by the media scaremongering, who foretold stories of great woe should we leave. That our economy would be in tatters, that we would be invaded (like we are not already!) That our expats in Europe would be homeless (more bollox - the rest of Europe are not heartless feinds - they are countries who too have lost their identities to the Brussels regime, many of which have the same feeling of despair with their governments, but afraid to take the leap to make the change).

And since the blessed referendum - How is Britian?
We have lost a few cents on both the Euro and the dollar. STILL 5 CENTS MORE THAN 2012 ON THE EURO!
Those of us in business see a small increase in the few supplies we buy from mainland Europe, but if you take away the German and French cars we import, there isn't a lot else!
Europe and US won't be complaining about the better rates to the British pound they now enjoy.

80% of our European trade is purchases! So who has the lead hand in that debate.
Bring it on Germany & France - threaten us with tariffs on trading and watch your car trade drop like a stone!

We are about to drop our corporation tax to 15% (half what the EU want to set as standard!)
If that is not an invitation to corporations to invest in UK, I don't know what is.

Our interest rate for borrowing is about to be cut to lowest for a significant number of years - and that is really going to hurt the millions here in debt - NOT!

Our rates are already stabilising.

The 24th June was felt to be like the first day of Spring here, with renewed enthusiasm, and a reality check that shortly we would be once again in control of our own destiny and the millions each week going to EU funds, would finally stay in our own economy to fund our crashing Health system and social problems (much of which caused by overpopulation due to being unable to limit any borders, and haplessly fund immimigrants (not refugees - which is entirely another matter and one not contested), whilst indiginous Brits suffer a declining standard of living - way too many of which are below the breadline, and unable to access any funds - which are used to fund excess immigrants.

We don not have a problem with the people who are already here - we will manage in True Brit style, but enough is enough. An Australiain style immigration policy is desperately needed here NOW!

I have lived for 6 years in Spain, and watched the beautiful Spanish culture gradually eroded by EU regulations. Wonderful fiesta and stree market curtailed due to senseless health and safety regulations. Quite simply the trip and sue brigade gone nuts!
EACH EUROPEAN COUNTRY IS UNIQUE (well, they were), and that is why they are so wonderful.
They sould NOT be assimilated 'BORG STYLE'.

I could rant for days, but will take a breathe, as I am sure I will have to stave off attacks from folk who don't know how we feel, but have only the 'BBC Bollox' to rely on.

So, from my first really heartfelt political post here, I await your comments.
ps. After a decade of not posting on this forum, I have returned as I no longer submit to the 'You will only read what we say you can' policy enveloping the UK now.

Moved to Op-Ed does not conform to News Board format ... mod's discretion

Once again from year back if my memory servers me correct: Who are you to speak of "your people"?
How did the concept of "your people" started to come about?

If about 17 million voted for "your people", millions of whom have become of second terms, how can that be in a so called democracy which is supposed to be a true democracy - NOT governed by media owners who are not even British, right?

Most of the British media are controlled by markets - not telling about the realities of this world. Much like in Russia, the media owners are telling what kind of message is allowed to be written about in their publications. The likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage, who's been well known of telling pure fabrications about the EU years ago, have not taken any kind of responsibility of the messages they have spoke or written about.
It's their personal concept of defining the part of the "freedom of speech" which is part of democracy as well but without realizing that it comes with a price of the responsibility, which those people are not capable of having.
This has nothing to do with a single culture as the behaviour of those humans are pretty much universal and basically pure copycat anywhere in the western world.

The entire world has changed since the British Empire and the 1970's as well. Nationalism in Europe is not the answer any longer in today's world. We have other world powers as well, not really existing before the 1990's in such a scale that would worry any country in Europe at that time.

This reaction of yours is a primal one, based on the world you know about but not understanding anything of the world to become and already existing - of which we western countries ourselves are basically the sole ones to blame on by developing global telecommunications.


Very 'interesting' opinion.
Glad to see you went back and edited out the most of the personal insults in your post - thankyou.
I'm starting to truly wonder the concept of the freedom of the press in the UK, and perhaps in the US as well (a message to the moderators of this forum).

We seem to have a lot more press freedom and partially also freedom of speech in Finland. Where it will result to, we don't know yet.
All this freedom of speech in Finland was originally brought by the very conservatives, who - not surprisingly - are also showing their very own PERSONAL weaknesses with this request of themselves.
They/you can't handle the true freedom of speech as many of the insults they/you make towards themselves/you is 100% equivalent to the hatred they/you are talking about and against. They/you can't handle this freedom of speech when it concentrates on those values, beliefs and attitudes of yourselves.
They/you are making a mockery of the very concept of the means by which you are trying to express yourselves through these freedoms.

Hiawatha, if you feel I'm NOT talking about particularly your own weaknesses, then by all means, express that to me. Most of "your" people are not able to handle it and on their first step, "your" people will resort to restricting the freedom of speech. Threats is the 2nd step. Violence is the 3rd step. That's how "your people" behave, because that is how it has happened before thousands of times in the history of us human beings.
Like I said, these realities have already become true in part of the daily life in the UK against anything non-English speaking people - because that's how the masses of people start of behave once given "the green light" by the leaders having enough power. That's also a fault in democracy that those values can be taken away by (a) leader(s) not respecting the values of democracy.
Should you even try to learn something about the mass behaviour? Do know and/or understand anything of those basic behaviours of us humans?

Look Hiawatha, we have a about 100 year old democracy where multiple parties have existed. We are not bound to the British majorly two-party politics you have majorly had for centuries, and now that UKIP has finally got some ground for the first time in, its major leaders decided to step down. That is a mockery towards democracy and any kind of parliamentary system. The EU has absolutely NOTHING to do with the problems of your own political system at all.

Do you understand anything of this at all? I'm not sure if this forum is for you at all...
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Just for the record, there's absolutely NOTHING the EU has done in any way "to erode" my sense of being being Finnish in my nationality. Sure, the have been such possible directives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union) ) which could have affected this feeling but I've never heard of such kind of ruling which would have come to such an effect that would "erode my nationality" away.

Nationalism as a value as such, has been been basically the most destructive ism the human race has ever come up with - culminating to the two world wars in the first part of the 1900's - and killing over 100 MILLION people. That value needs a change and I'm extremely happy that change is actually coming from the very surroundings the modern nationlism itself was discovered in - Europe - because we the only power in the world to do so. The US is just a follower of basically one single ism Europe discovered.
Europe is just in the start of doing so with the EU, and you want to step outside of it. And still, England as a country is very much following the war waging with the US rather than trying to find peaceful ways of solving problems in the daily politics like the EU does within EU countries and with its "yet uncommon foreign policies".

With this post to you, I know I'm still talking to a ghost who died in WW2.
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Jul 18 2016, 04:19 PM
Hiawatha
Jul 16 2016, 05:26 AM
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Jul 15 2016, 08:03 PM

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Very 'interesting' opinion.
Glad to see you went back and edited out the most of the personal insults in your post - thankyou.
I'm starting to truly wonder the concept of the freedom of the press in the UK, and perhaps in the US as well (a message to the moderators of this forum).

We seem to have a lot more press freedom and partially also freedom of speech in Finland. Where it will result to, we don't know yet.
All this freedom of speech in Finland was originally brought by the very conservatives, who - not surprisingly - are also showing their very own PERSONAL weaknesses with this request of themselves.
They/you can't handle the true freedom of speech as many of the insults they/you make towards themselves/you is 100% equivalent to the hatred they/you are talking about and against. They/you can't handle this freedom of speech when it concentrates on those values, beliefs and attitudes of yourselves.
They/you are making a mockery of the very concept of the means by which you are trying to express yourselves through these freedoms.

Hiawatha, if you feel I'm NOT talking about particularly your own weaknesses, then by all means, express that to me. Most of "your" people are not able to handle it and on their first step, "your" people will resort to restricting the freedom of speech. Threats is the 2nd step. Violence is the 3rd step. That's how "your people" behave, because that is how it has happened before thousands of times in the history of us human beings.
Like I said, these realities have already become true in part of the daily life in the UK against anything non-English speaking people - because that's how the masses of people start of behave once given "the green light" by the leaders having enough power. That's also a fault in democracy that those values can be taken away by (a) leader(s) not respecting the values of democracy.
Should you even try to learn something about the mass behaviour? Do know and/or understand anything of those basic behaviours of us humans?

Look Hiawatha, we have a about 100 year old democracy where multiple parties have existed. We are not bound to the British majorly two-party politics you have majorly had for centuries, and now that UKIP has finally got some ground for the first time in, its major leaders decided to step down. That is a mockery towards democracy and any kind of parliamentary system. The EU has absolutely NOTHING to do with the problems of your own political system at all.

Do you understand anything of this at all? I'm not sure if this forum is for you at all...
I never said the eu was responsible for our political crisis.
It is responsible for the assimilation of nations at at cultural costs.
It is responsible for the crippling of businesses with superfluous regulations.
It is responsible for the decimation of village festivals, fetes, town carnivals, ...The list is endless, due again to unachievable regulation.

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Jul 19 2016, 04:56 PM
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Jul 18 2016, 04:19 PM
Hiawatha
Jul 16 2016, 05:26 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepMoved to Op-Ed does not conform to News Board format ... mod's discretion
I'm starting to truly wonder the concept of the freedom of the press in the UK, and perhaps in the US as well (a message to the moderators of this forum).

We seem to have a lot more press freedom and partially also freedom of speech in Finland. Where it will result to, we don't know yet.
All this freedom of speech in Finland was originally brought by the very conservatives, who - not surprisingly - are also showing their very own PERSONAL weaknesses with this request of themselves.
They/you can't handle the true freedom of speech as many of the insults they/you make towards themselves/you is 100% equivalent to the hatred they/you are talking about and against. They/you can't handle this freedom of speech when it concentrates on those values, beliefs and attitudes of yourselves.
They/you are making a mockery of the very concept of the means by which you are trying to express yourselves through these freedoms.

Hiawatha, if you feel I'm NOT talking about particularly your own weaknesses, then by all means, express that to me. Most of "your" people are not able to handle it and on their first step, "your" people will resort to restricting the freedom of speech. Threats is the 2nd step. Violence is the 3rd step. That's how "your people" behave, because that is how it has happened before thousands of times in the history of us human beings.
Like I said, these realities have already become true in part of the daily life in the UK against anything non-English speaking people - because that's how the masses of people start of behave once given "the green light" by the leaders having enough power. That's also a fault in democracy that those values can be taken away by (a) leader(s) not respecting the values of democracy.
Should you even try to learn something about the mass behaviour? Do know and/or understand anything of those basic behaviours of us humans?

Look Hiawatha, we have a about 100 year old democracy where multiple parties have existed. We are not bound to the British majorly two-party politics you have majorly had for centuries, and now that UKIP has finally got some ground for the first time in, its major leaders decided to step down. That is a mockery towards democracy and any kind of parliamentary system. The EU has absolutely NOTHING to do with the problems of your own political system at all.

Do you understand anything of this at all? I'm not sure if this forum is for you at all...
I never said the eu was responsible for our political crisis.
It is responsible for the assimilation of nations at at cultural costs.
It is responsible for the crippling of businesses with superfluous regulations.
It is responsible for the decimation of village festivals, fetes, town carnivals, ...The list is endless, due again to unachievable regulation.

What?

If I remember correctly, you have made dozens of post blaming the EU is doing this and the EU is doing that which has affected Britain, right?
Can you explain out of which reasons the UKIP was born? (But I think I can already tell that the same story is seen everywhere else in Europe...).

Which cultural costs you are referring to? The EU hasn't really touched any of such cultural issues, which has diminished my values of being born and raised in Finland, and which would have taken away my cultural inheritance of being Finnish. If Britain has made mistakes in such matters, then it's Britain's own fault.

Regulations - those are a matter of controversy and I agree that the MEPs (which we EU citizens have elected) have not been doing their job too well in order to block too detailed control over some of them. It's rather a matter of us people which kind of attitudes and values we have, and how those regulations can be interpreted.

Sorry, I've never heard any kind of similar local happenings being denied in Finland because of EU regulations.

Look, we have enough in this country of people who want to regulate things over-the-top and basically ALL of them are because of internal Finnish laws and regulations, and the local structures interpreting these statements and the people who are working in those executive regulatory structures, who in turn at different times, interpret the very same laws differently.
That's how we - the people - work, whether we like it or not - even to the point of absurdity.
In this country, especially the alcohol laws are interpreted extremely often to the point of absurdity, without even making any changes to the laws.

Maybe you should start to learning something what are the very basic reasons in anything which changes in our world in the first place?

(I'm pushing towards 50 years, and I don't have problems accepting the facts that life in our world changes. But I also read about the history of us daily.)
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Jul 20 2016, 03:43 PM
Hiawatha
Jul 19 2016, 04:56 PM
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Jul 18 2016, 04:19 PM

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I never said the eu was responsible for our political crisis.
It is responsible for the assimilation of nations at at cultural costs.
It is responsible for the crippling of businesses with superfluous regulations.
It is responsible for the decimation of village festivals, fetes, town carnivals, ...The list is endless, due again to unachievable regulation.

What?

If I remember correctly, you have made dozens of post blaming the EU is doing this and the EU is doing that which has affected Britain, right?
Can you explain out of which reasons the UKIP was born? (But I think I can already tell that the same story is seen everywhere else in Europe...).

Which cultural costs you are referring to? The EU hasn't really touched any of such cultural issues, which has diminished my values of being born and raised in Finland, and which would have taken away my cultural inheritance of being Finnish. If Britain has made mistakes in such matters, then it's Britain's own fault.

Regulations - those are a matter of controversy and I agree that the MEPs (which we EU citizens have elected) have not been doing their job too well in order to block too detailed control over some of them. It's rather a matter of us people which kind of attitudes and values we have, and how those regulations can be interpreted.

Sorry, I've never heard any kind of similar local happenings being denied in Finland because of EU regulations.

Look, we have enough in this country of people who want to regulate things over-the-top and basically ALL of them are because of internal Finnish laws and regulations, and the local structures interpreting these statements and the people who are working in those executive regulatory structures, who in turn at different times, interpret the very same laws differently.
That's how we - the people - work, whether we like it or not - even to the point of absurdity.
In this country, especially the alcohol laws are interpreted extremely often to the point of absurdity, without even making any changes to the laws.

Maybe you should start to learning something what are the very basic reasons in anything which changes in our world in the first place?

(I'm pushing towards 50 years, and I don't have problems accepting the facts that life in our world changes. But I also read about the history of us daily.)
Let's just get something straight. This topic, and my info is NOT ABOUT YOU
NOT ABOUT FINLAND.
IT IS BASED ON BEING ENGLISH, LIVING IN ENGLAND, AND
ANY INFO ABOUT OTHER CULTURES IS FROM HAVING LIVED THERE FOR NUMBER OF YEARS.
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What?

If I remember correctly, you have made dozens of post blaming the EU is doing this and the EU is doing that which has affected Britain, right?
Can you explain out of which reasons the UKIP was born? (But I think I can already tell that the same story is seen everywhere else in Europe...).

Which cultural costs you are referring to? The EU hasn't really touched any of such cultural issues, which has diminished my values of being born and raised in Finland, and which would have taken away my cultural inheritance of being Finnish. If Britain has made mistakes in such matters, then it's Britain's own fault.

Regulations - those are a matter of controversy and I agree that the MEPs (which we EU citizens have elected) have not been doing their job too well in order to block too detailed control over some of them. It's rather a matter of us people which kind of attitudes and values we have, and how those regulations can be interpreted.

Sorry, I've never heard any kind of similar local happenings being denied in Finland because of EU regulations.

Look, we have enough in this country of people who want to regulate things over-the-top and basically ALL of them are because of internal Finnish laws and regulations, and the local structures interpreting these statements and the people who are working in those executive regulatory structures, who in turn at different times, interpret the very same laws differently.
That's how we - the people - work, whether we like it or not - even to the point of absurdity.
In this country, especially the alcohol laws are interpreted extremely often to the point of absurdity, without even making any changes to the laws.

Maybe you should start to learning something what are the very basic reasons in anything which changes in our world in the first place?

(I'm pushing towards 50 years, and I don't have problems accepting the facts that life in our world changes. But I also read about the history of us daily.)
Let's just get something straight. This topic, and my info is NOT ABOUT YOU
NOT ABOUT FINLAND.
IT IS BASED ON BEING ENGLISH, LIVING IN ENGLAND, AND
ANY INFO ABOUT OTHER CULTURES IS FROM HAVING LIVED THERE FOR NUMBER OF YEARS.
So how do the Brits (who you think you represent) regard general human behaviour which have nothing or very little to do with nationality? :tongue:

Obviously, you are not willing to question anything of the ism you are a victim of. You have gotten stuck to the trenches (pun intended).

How much you know of the history of this part of the world known today as Europe? Do you know when the British identity you are trying to refer to was born?
Is you British identity geographically limited to the Hadrian's Wall, for example, in the current UK, but which has history since the Roman Empire?
Or was it born when the Viking tried to expand their ruling and identity to the British Islands?
Or was it born because of the Battle of Hastings?
Or was it born with the industrialization, starting from the Great Britain?
Or was it born with the birth of the British Empire?
Or was it born with the WW1 or WW2 activities the Brits did in those wars?


Can you answer any of the questions above? Or are you here just to blurt out your miseries in life, which has these well-known "side effects" such as resorting to this "mysterious" form of nationalism?

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Lucky for jar Muslims on average are not that enamored with Finland....
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Jul 29 2016, 07:28 PM
Lucky for jar Muslims on average are not that enamored with Finland....
If the nationalists in Finland are asked this question, they would tell that they are already on the losing side of their "cultural identity" against muslims.

These nationalists are very troubled persons in their lives who see themselves only through the narrow-minded view of "an cultural identity" without the ability to question themselves at all what this "cultural identity" is comprised of.
They are simply too weak as persons to be able to handle such a question.

Christians have killed each other enough for the sake of nationalism, of which the world has had numerous wars killing over 100 million people .


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Remember when the remain folks fear mongered that the markets would collapse and the UK would never recover?

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Sep 3 2016, 03:02 PM
Remember when the remain folks fear mongered that the markets would collapse and the UK would never recover?

Pepperidge Farm remembers


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